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A Brief History of Intolerance in Modern Cosmology

Seeded on Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:25 AM EST
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science, god, big-bang, intolerance, creation
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A look at scientific orthodoxy's intolerance in relation to alternative theories to the Big Bang. Very interesting reading, whatever your views on the subject. Some quotes:

Big Bang cosmology is probably as widely believed as has been any theory of the universe in the history of western civilization, it rests on many untested, and in some cases, untestable, assumptions. Indeed, Big Bang cosmology has become a band-wagon of thought that reflects faith as much as objective truth (Burbidge 1992, p. 120).

Edinburgh Royal Observatory astronomer Michael Hawkins notes that it requires almost suicidal courage to leave the herd and challenge the authority of the astrophysical establishment. Typically, papers expressing genuinely new ideas are refused publication by referees of reputable scientific journals on the ground that they undermine the generally accepted principles of physics. Those who persist in writing such papers are usually sidelined from the astronomical community by their peers (Hawkins 1997, p. 29).

Some scientists have concluded that this attitude which dominates the scientific orthodoxy today has actually impeded the search for potentially more valid answers about origins (Lerner 1991).

Burbidge claims that the censorship is so severe that researchers who "find evidence contrary to standard cosmology" are denied telescope time, their papers are "denied publication for years or are blocked by referees," and they are even denied academic positions (Burbidge 1992, p. 120). The situation, Burbidge stresses, "is particularly worrisome because there are good reasons to think the Big Bang model is seriously flawed." The attitude in many quarters is to avoid even thinking about the evidence against the Big Bang model. John Maddox, the long-time editor of Nature who concluded that skepticism about the Big Bang is "well-founded," once asked a colleague if he had read a new book critical of the Big Bang published by Cambridge University press. Maddox reported that the colleague responded that he "Wouldn't waste the time" (Maddox 2001, p. 270).

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Paddy Ryan

Whether you're an evolutionist or a creationist, I think you'll enjoy the article.

Disclaimer: AIG, the site hosting the article, is a well-know Christian Apologetics site.

Cheers, and enjoy.

  • 1 vote
Reply#1 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:27 AM EST
mogmich

I am not a scientist myself, but I'm very interested in Cosmology and other scientific things.

Thanks to the Internet it is possible for everybody to read a lot about it today - which I have done for some years now.

It is certainly not my impression, that questioning the current Big Bang theory is suppressed in any way. I have read several articles on "arXive.org" and other sites, which does that.

It might be true, that mainstream-media only present the established theories in a popularized form, but isn't that a pure necessity?

In order to understand the nuances, you have to know a little more than the average layman.

  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:11 PM EST
Paddy Ryan

Mogmich,

What seemed more sinister in the article was not so much how mainstream-media was acting, but the fact that scientists who question the big-bang "are denied telescope time ... and they are even denied academic positions".

Then again, I suppose there are power games going one everywhere (not only in scientific circles, but in the religious as well).

Cheers.

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#2.1 - Fri Feb 13, 2009 8:22 PM EST
gladbutterfly

That is perfectly normal behaviour for those who have a lot invested in the Big Bang story. They are trying to protect their turf from intruders with new ideas. That sort of blackballing of dissent is rampant everywhere in academia that I have ventured. Sad, but not any different from the way that the early Catholic Church tried to keep the scientific viewpoint from eclipsing their established worldview.They have changed their attitude to science now, to some extent.

  • 2 votes
#2.2 - Sat Feb 14, 2009 5:48 PM EST
jade-log

I think that the two theories use the same model with a different context. The "Big Bang" an explosion of energy without reference to previous state. Creation and God said "Let there be light." (Fiat lux) an explosion of energy out of the dark. Where did God exist before?

    #2.3 - Sat Feb 14, 2009 6:54 PM EST
    Paddy Ryan

    Where did God exist before?

    Jade, belief in God equals a belief in an eternal Being, who always existed, and who is outside the realm of scientific observation.

    Cheers.

    • 1 vote
    #2.4 - Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:09 AM EST
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    Karl_

    Typically, papers expressing genuinely new ideas are refused publication by referees of reputable scientific journals on the ground that they undermine the generally accepted principles of physics. Those who persist in writing such papers are usually sidelined from the astronomical community by their peers (Hawkins 1997, p. 29).

    This pattern is well know and applies to every established organisation, covering the whole spectrum from Religion to your friendly Bridge club. Science is no exception: Once you deviate from the established path, you become some kind of outcast, and are punished by the establishment. Nothing new here.

    This reinforces my views on fractals and patterns: You find the same patterns in all fields.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#3 - Sat Feb 14, 2009 5:56 PM EST
    Briwnys

    The reason you find those same patterns in all fields has nothing to do with fractals and everything to do with the human brain. Dr Paul MacLean, who was director of limbic research at the National Institute of Mental Health, said that the reptilian part of our brain is instinctive in determining functions such as "establishing territory, finding shelter, hunting, homing, mating, breeding, forming social hierarchies, selecting leaders, and the like." Precedent is the guiding force. "It would be satisfying to know to what extent the reptilian counterpart of man's brain determines his obeisance to precedent in ceremonial rituals, legal actions, political persuasions and religious convictions." Add obeisance to scientific dogma to that list.

      #3.1 - Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:27 PM EST
      Karl_

      Briwnys,

      The reason you find those same patterns in all fields has nothing to do with fractals and everything to do with the human brain.

      Relax. Your immediate certitude seems naive to me.

      The human brain is part of nature and as such, it does not have a monopoly on this pattern. You will find it in many species that will go as far as to kill their youngs that are different from the norm, a behavior akin to xenophobia.

      • 3 votes
      #3.2 - Sat Feb 14, 2009 8:59 PM EST
      Briwnys

      Thank you. It is refreshing to be considered naive.

      I never considered the part of the human brain that is dominated by this behavior unique. The part of the human brain that is unique to higher primates as well as to humans, the neocortex, is the problem because, as MacLean says, it does not speak the same language as the limbic, reptilian/mammalian parts of our brain. These older parts rely on moods and emotions to communicate. So, while the mammalian part of the limbic system is capable of learning and adapting, the reptilian part, once it is fixated and therefore emotionally invested in certain behavior or thought patterns, cannot easily adapt to new situations and ideas, but endlessly repeats the same basic formulas of behavior and belief. To do otherwise would push it beyond its comfort zone and likely result in the kind of behavior you describe, which is what you would expect from goading a wild animal. We are fortunate that most academics are somewhat tamer or at least less inclined toward physical expression.

      • 1 vote
      #3.3 - Sat Feb 14, 2009 11:23 PM EST
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      Ed Wood

      Just because one writes a paper does not mean it is an academic work worthy of consideration.

      Although there are problems with the "Big Bang Theory" scientists continue to wrestle with the problems, often from opposing camps. I am no cosmologist, but the fellow who had the new ideas on quasars sounded like a nut to me. Do we really want every crank with an idea to be published? How would that help the progression of science?

      This article appears to be an attack on science itself, similar to the film "Exposed" which attacked evolution.

      While complaining that anti-big bang scientists were discriminated against because of a monolithic pro big bang conspiracy it failed to note that science based controversy abounds withing cosmology. In essence it used the tactic that it accused mainstream science of.

      Nothing is certain in science. It is a progressive discipline that grows from its mistakes. The one certainity is that there has never been any scientific proof of any supernatural event ever taking place. This makes the Big Bang a far more likely cause for the universe than "god did it."

      • 1 vote
      Reply#4 - Sat Feb 14, 2009 9:54 PM EST
      Paddy Ryan

      Ed,

      As I mentioned, the article is by a well-know Christian apologetics site, so you'll certainly find an element of apologetics in it.

      Still, it's not just a case of refusing to publish articles that are published by "cranks with an idea", but of discriminating scientists who have shown potential in their respective fields of study.

      Such behaviour, as I and others have mentioned, is normal to a certain extent. In science, it appears incongruous (to put it mildly).

      Cheers.

      • 1 vote
      #4.1 - Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:21 AM EST
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      Karl_

      You decided to confront me on my assertion that the reluctance of the scientific establishment to accept new theories is fashioned after a universal pattern.

      From that perspective, you are now airing in details that are irrelevant to my observation. I have no time to waist with you.

      • 1 vote
      Reply#5 - Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:40 AM EST
      Karl_

      Corr

      "From that perspective, you are now erring in details that are irrelevant to my observation. I have no more time to waste with you."

      • 1 vote
      Reply#6 - Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:53 AM EST
      Brad Leclerc

      Bah, Big Bang Theory is likely to be replaced as the prime theory for the beginning of the universe (or at least, how the universe came to be the way it currently is...not necessarily the ACTUAL begining), but other theories that fit the evidence better and are more testable. Certain theories are already getting some steam, though none are really taking over yet.

      Part of the the problem with spreading the most current theories on the topic is that they tend to be more complex and don't make for an interesting or accessible mental imagery as "BANG!!!!! The universe exists", making it less likely the mass media will cover them with enough detail to actually explain anything.

      As to the intolerance of conflicting theories in scientific circle, I'm sure it happens (internal politics is a bitch in any large group of people with vested interest in their own ideas...or ideas that tend to get them funding, as is often the case with scientific research), though I have serious doubts that is a big problem, as such counter-theories are generally looked at quite thoroughly by anyone who thinks they may be able to either help prove or disprove the theory, since either way they'd make a name for themselves.

      There are exeptions mind you, many theories (or hypothesises, depending on the state of the idea and research), simply are not testable at all, or fly in the face of otherwise accepted theory or observation without explaining away the original idea it goes against, and as such cannot be considered to be scientific and thus tends to cause whoever put together the hypothesis (or potential theory) to be subject to a certain level of redicule for attempting to push a badly thought out (or just badly explained) idea as valid. The "theory" of Intelligent Design comes to mind...but that's a whole other issue :)

      • 1 vote
      Reply#7 - Sun Feb 15, 2009 10:38 AM EST
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